Donald Trump thinks vaccines cause autism!
His quote: "I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. [The] Same exact amount, but you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump--I mean, it looks just like it's meant for a horse, not for a child, and we've had so many instances, people that work for me. ... [in which] a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back and a week later had a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."
They do not but I will like to hear Trump supporters thought on this.
I could either have the future pass me or l could create it.
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"had a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."
had a fever, now is autistic
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The thimerosal in vaccines, is one thing, gone. There is no correlation or causation between autism and thimerosal. Now, this is thimerosal.
On the right, there is the mercury atom (Hg). By itself, it can cause a lot of damage. It is primarily toxic in its methylmercury form. That is mercury attached to a Ch3 group. A thing I find cool about mercury is its ability to switch between a 0, 1 plus, or 2 plus oxidative states, each giving different properties. 2 plus allows the mercury to participate in organic compound formation. That is exactly what it is doing here! To the left, it is bound by a sulfur, then connected to an entire aromatic benzene derivative. On the right of the mercury, we have an ethyl group. This does not look like the toxic state of mercury at all! Since thimerosal was believed to cause autism, but now it is proven that it doesn't, vaccines do not cause autism. Vaccines have never caused autism.
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There are also many recorded coincidences between vaccines and autistic conditions, and also between vaccines and more profound cognitive dysfunctions.
"They don't". Is an unequivocal proclamation, and one that can not be easily validated.
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Even if it makes us autistic, that wouldn't be something we could fight...
If the illuminati is so powerful it can make the entire science community unite, you don't fight them by challenging the science. Rather, you have to just accept the injection and work your best to counteract the drugs and how they dull the mind.
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https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/mitochondrial-faq.html
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@Pogue Just imagine, just for a second, that what you are injected with has genuinely got vaccines in it. Now imagine it has drugs of its own that make your brainstem not grow ruthless and independent in thought but significantly susceptible to input... sensitive to everything... Imagine that these side effects affect naturally gullible and extroverted people very mildly and give no autistic traits because they naturally are already sensitive to convince. Those that are on the other end, that will highly resist these drugs and the hormonal effects... These people already were quite introverted and vigilant in thinking and yes sure, antisocial but they go further now. The reaction is that they are extremely incapable of asserting themselves... poor motor skills... Poor charisma... they end up cursed to not convince anyone of the truth as the reaction instead of sensitivity is that it attacks the parts that makes them able to convince and change other's minds... Makes them so socially disabled that they need to type to talk and are scared of everything and everyone outside of their strict regime.
What a convenient way to shut them out.
Oh and the few who are geniuses and do begin to scratch the surface unless they are smart like me and post online anonymously about theories that the government loves seeing you guys taunt and doubt (yes I know the illuminati knows who I am, they don't harm me because I don't harm them I am finding the truth 'around them' not exposing individuals).
The fact of the matter is, vaccination is undeniably a great thing. We don't want yellow fever. We also don't want the mind-altering drugs that alter brain development start-to-finish.
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There is no evidence that it causes autism. We just got better at diagnosing it.
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The sentence is really incoherent.
Let's analyze it.
Sentence 1: He said he was in favor of it. Ok. Nothing valuable here.
Sentence 2: He said but. He is introducing something else and it was that he wants it over a longer period of time.
Sentence 3 part 1: He said he wants the same exact amount.
Sentence 3 part 2: He said he does not want those doses for children because they look like they are for horses. He says "you pump" which indicates that it is a lot or too much.
Sentence 3 part 3: People that work for him got their child vaccinated. Then they got sick and got autism. How does that not say that the child became autistic after becoming vaccinated? They got the vaccine then became autistic. He also says many instances of it happening. Meaning that it is not just one. Meaning that it has to be the vaccines if it was multiple times and it was right after getting vaccinated. Why do you continue to defend him?
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It has happens numerous times. A study of VICP compensated cases has found that in a small sampling of the 2500 cases, 83 people were payed over $113 million for autism and related brain injuries due to vaccines. It probably would have been better for Trump to have referenced the 1300 cases in which vaccine-related brain damage have been compensated in court, rather than limiting his statement specifically to autism, but his point seems valid, that we should be looking for a less dangerous way to vaccinate our kids. Why do you think we shouldn't be looking for a better way?
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As for your latter claim... I've actually read this study before, and it's not particularly favorable to the claims you're trying to make. You're trying to establish that there's some reason to believe in a link between autism and vaccination. I would contend that that cannot be proven by legal means. In fact, the paper itself is quite specific about this:
"This assessment of compensated cases showing an association between vaccines and autism is not, and does not purport to be, science. In no way does it explain scientific causation or even necessarily undermine the reasoning of the decision in the Omnibus Autism Proceeding based on the scientific theories and medical evidence before the VICP."
This is expanded upon in the conclusion, though I think it's even more important to note how exactly they defined autism.
"Because autistic disorder is defined only by an aggregation of symptoms, there is no meaningful distinction between the terms "autism" and "autism-like symptoms." This article makes the distinction only to accurately reflect the terms that the Court of Federal Claims, caregivers, and others use. It is not a distinction to which the authors attach significance."
That's pretty important because, even if we assume that all of these 83 cases fall into the "autism" category, the lack of a meaningful distinction means that designating them as autism is problematic and arbitrary.
"...the DSM-IV provides fairly clear diagnostic criteria for autism. If the child doesn’t have enough of these criteria to be diagnosed as autistic, that child could have “autism symptoms” but not autism. In other words, if a child shows a number of odd behaviours but not the classic triad of impairments, then they might have ASD or Asperger’s Syndrome or HFA, but they don’t have autism because the diagnosis of autism depends upon a specific set of diagnostic criteria, and the child doesn’t meet those criteria. If he did, he’d have a diagnosis of autism. It’s just that simple, but Holland et al try to obfuscate by trying to make terms like “autism-like symptoms and similar terms mean what they want them to mean...
Nor are diagnostic criteria for a condition like autism spectrum disorders a difficult concept for most people; certainly they aren’t for doctors. Apparently, however, they represent a very difficult concept indeed for Holland et al, who seem to be arguing that any child with autism-like symptoms must have autism. This is akin to arguing that anyone who has a belly ache or diarrhea must have irritable bowel syndrome or that someone who experiences a headache must have migraines. In addition, such an argument assumes that all symptoms are equal when it comes to making the diagnosis of autism."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/when-you-cant-win-on-science-invoke-the-law-2/
And their poor methods don't stop at redefining what autism is.
"All the authors did was search a database for specific terms and compiled the search results together, then try to report a causality link, while acknowledging that the legal standard of causation is not the same as the scientific standard. Using their method, I could pick any word I wanted, one that I know is in the database, then create a paper designed to show causation."
https://www.wired.com/2011/05/is-the-vaccine-injury-compensation-program-covering-up-an-autism-vaccine-link/
Even if we assume their results are accurate, we've got another problem: they don't tell us anything interesting.
"83/2,500 results in an estimated prevalence rate of approximately 3.3%. On the surface, this seems to support the claim that the prevalence of autism/ASD is three-fold higher in VICP-compensated children than it is estimated to be in the general population (around 1%). Of course, there’s at least one problem. The authors are even forced to admit it. Specifically, of these 83 children, Holland et alcould only find documentation of autistic symptoms for only 39. The rest of those 83 were “diagnosed” solely on the basis of a parental questionnaire. This lower number results in an estimated prevalence of autism of around 1.6% in the VICP-compensated population, an estimate that is falling into the range of what we would expect in the general population."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/when-you-cant-win-on-science-invoke-the-law-2/
Lastly, the whole thing is tainted by bias.
"...two of the authors represent clients who have claims on behalf of family members in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. This is not an independent study. The authors are biased. The authors have a vested interest in the outcome. Also, all authors are on the board of the Elizabeth Birt Center for Autism Law and Advocacy, which is an autism advocacy group."
https://www.wired.com/2011/05/is-the-vaccine-injury-compensation-program-covering-up-an-autism-vaccine-link/
So yeah, I have a hard time believing that the study presents anything meaningful. The authors go out of their way to state that they cannot make any definitive claims about causation of autism based on this work, they use legal and not scientific data to establish anything akin to scientific causation, their numbers are deceptive, and they aren't exactly clean in their assessment of the data to begin with.
As for your last question... I'm really just puzzled by it. It's not as though there's a lack of research on improving vaccine safety and efficacy, particularly through improved vaccine delivery (both through private and public research) and subsequently testing for shedding of virus after vaccination. Beyond that, I'm not clear precisely what could be done. The formulations have largely been optimized, and many vaccines require injection with a very low probability of causing harm, otherwise they're either practically useless or they require people to get many more injections. So, while I agree that we should be looking for "a better way," I don't see what Trump is seeking to accomplish, particularly not as he's trying to slash the budget of nearly every agency that would fund such work.
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The people who 'rubber-stamp' or the equivalent the stickers and licences for the entire process allow mind-susceptibility drugs to be mixed in with the concoction that contains real vaccinations to real disease, yes it does.
If you are naturally extroverted, gullible and/or agreeable (whichever term you prefer, really they are all psychologically similar), the smoother, less noticeable the effects are.
If you are towards the introverted, vigilant and/or argumentative end of the spectrum you end up suffering from hypersensitivity in sensory aspects and your brain has to fight extremely hard against the urge to flow hormones into the other parts of the brain while it tries to keep its original thought and the neuron paths that are being slowly deteriorated (or at the very least inhibited) by the butterfly effect drugs that controls the entire childhood development.
So the very same sensitivity and susceptibility encouraging drugs react very differently based on the raw persona. It turns original thinkers into socially awkward hermits who have poor motor-neuron coordination due to the effort their brain is putting in taking away neurons form other parts to put it into the inhibited path of original self-produced thoughts.
This is actually precisely going to produce autism (if intelligent, high-functioning).
Sure, it's a theory and sure, I can't name the drugs. Just begin to question everything... Even doing that is hard on the brain... It takes real muscle-memory practise because of what they have done to us.
We have an education system where 'kat' is treated equally wrong and stupid as 'xqw' for a spelling of "cat" in a spelling bee. We are raised to only memorise right answers, never to learn how to bridge our way 'into the right answer'. Even math marks you down if you come up with a weird way to work it out that the marker can't easily follow in their A-B-C method.
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2. Yes, vaccines give you the disease but in a dose that will not kill you.
3. How does this happen? How do you know that if you are agreeable/gullible it will happen?
4. I actually am very argumentative (I argue with people for the stupidest reasons) and this has never happened to me.
5. How do you know that it is deteriorating?
6. I was awkward way before my vaccines. How does it turn people into that? Any actual evidence besides your guess? I like how you try and use neuroscience to discredit medical science (which includes neuroscience).
7. Ok. So. You provided no correlation to vaccines.
8. No, it is not a theory! A scientific theory is backed by evidence and you have provided none.
9. You are defending your point by saying you can not defend or name what they actually do. Nice!
10. Woah. You used a Neil DeGrasse Tyson paraphrase. He is a science guy and you flat Earthers hate him. False. We are taught how to find the right answer. In math class, we are taught how to do it. In my English class, we are taught how to actually apply multiple choice to real life. How to do great on multiple choice. Even if you do not realize it, the "weird way" (in which I always use) actually encompasses the method you are supposed to you use in school. It is not exactly the same though.
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2. Vaccines are usually not made in hospitals. You'd have to go to the facility where the manufacturing takes place. I've been to some of these facilities, and you usually can go in and watch as the vials are filled. But it seems like your main concern is what they're throwing in there and not how the manufacturing occurs, so I'm sure this doesn't provide you with any solace. What should provide you with some is that companies are required to provide an exhaustive list of the additives in their vaccines.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
The FDA actually does test these to ensure that the formulation is consistent between batches, otherwise manufacturing facilities can be shut down for not complying with their basic rules.
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You are not the con artists, you are not the criminals. Do not worry, you are free of sin in this but that doesn't mean it's not worth fighting and questioning.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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If you want to question the safety and efficacy of these vaccines, that's up to you. You're welcome to question. But there's a difference between actively seeking out more information and deriving your own conclusions from lapses in your knowledge on the subject (or an unwillingness to accept the evidence you're presented with). There's also a difference between saying that you're uncertain or concerned and assuming that there are psychoactive drugs being emptied into medications that the vast majority of the US population take. Lastly, while you're welcome to seek out information, actively disseminating information with no basis in reality that could lead to many not vaccinating themselves or their children actually causes real harms to individuals who cannot protect themselves against the litany of diseases that we actually have vaccines against. It's the reason measles has resurged, and the harms of that are tangible and measurable. Your personal decision to fight against an invisible enemy doesn't outweigh that.
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Do you know CDC is owned by who? The Government. This sounds unimportant, it's not. If the government wants to use BIOLOGICAL WARFARE (if you think chemical weapons are the worst way to die... I don't want to get gory here but biological warfare can be so inhumane you will cry from even watching someone endure 3% of it (whereas with chemical warfare you need to see a good 15% before you cry for them)
On top of weaponized diseases being a huge area of research within CDC, you need to know that I never was specific about America and I mocked Trump's reasoning (what reasoning? Exactly.). I supported Clinton because her style of corruption is sensible and net-benefits humanity more. I am not interested in America in particular but for some reason the whole world is. Vaccines are world-wide (or should be) the issue is transparency in the mixing process as well as the bottling process (the chemicals/drugs could come from inside what appears to be typical glass or plastic but really is something else)...
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I'm not sure why you keep referring to the CDC. The CDC is an organization that generally responds to outbreaks. They distribute vaccines when necessary, but they do not play a role in their manufacture or testing. Yes, it is the government that actually does it (usually through the FDA and NIH), and if you don't trust the government, then there's not much I can do for you. Just because the government has engineered biological weapons in the past doesn't mean it's using them on its citizens, but of course, you believe that to be the case. Honestly, though, if this is what you believe, then you believe in a much broader conspiracy than just "the government wants to control us." These aren't government labs making the vaccines. They're regulated by the government, but these are private facilities. All of them are in on this? At that point, how do you trust anything anyone makes? Why are vaccines special? If anything, I'd say vaccine manufacture has been so standardized for so long that it's one of the most transparent processes among drugs, but if you're unwilling to accept the information you're given, why trust any of our food or drink? Why trust any medication?
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This, right there, is what makes it unique.
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Only one company for all.
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1) There is a stack of information online regarding this issue, if you can be bothered to read it.
2) There is no actual proof that vaccines do cause autism disorders.
3) There is no actual proof that vaccines do not cause autism disorders.
4) It is widely regarded that vaccines may be associated with autism disorders. (Information freely available online)
I have not for one minute, stated that there is an undeniable link between vaccines and autism.
Whereas, you continue to state unequivocally that there is no link between vaccines and autism.
You have absolutely no way of unequivocally validating your statement.
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...You do know that multiple companies produce vaccines, right? And, again, as far as must-haves go, vaccines are far from the top of the list. I really don't get your perspective on this at all.
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